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As an ex-loyal HP customer, I bought my 3rd HP laptop, an HP TX1210us for $1349.99 on August 17th 2007, thinking I was set for a good 3 or 4 years, boy, was I wrong!
I&#8217;ve been a computers tech for around 10 years, and besides always taking good care of my gadgets, this one in [...]]]></description>
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<p>As an ex-loyal HP customer, I bought my 3rd HP laptop, an HP TX1210us for $1349.99 on August 17th 2007, thinking I was set for a good 3 or 4 years, boy, was I wrong!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a computers tech for around 10 years, and besides always taking good care of my gadgets, this one in specific was barely used (it still looks new), because I mainly use my desktop computer (good thing it&#8217;s not an HP).</p>
<p><strong>The Problem</strong></p>
<p>The nice looking HP tx1210us worked fine for one year and a half (which translates to a little over 100 uses) until it suddenly died today, with no previous symptoms, it will no longer boot up, it powers up, lights turn on but the screen stays blank.</p>
<p>Because of such a sudden and unexpected failure, the first thing that came to my mind was a motherboard problem. I couldn&#8217;t believe it myself, so I quickly started troubleshooting it&#8230; No beeps, battery works fine, it does the same with or with out memory or DVD drive, etc&#8230; it quickly came down to 2 things, the processor or the motherboard. Per my experience, CPU symptoms tend to be different, so I was sure it was a motherboard problem.</p>
<p><strong>Research</strong></p>
<p>I was starting to get really <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">fucking pissed</span> irritated, because I knew that the warranty had just expired, but I also knew that this wasn&#8217;t a user caused problem, so I went online to see if others were having similar issues&#8230; 2 minutes later&#8230; and WOW!, I found that thousands of HP laptops are having THE EXACT SAME PROBLEM! This problem seems to affect the entire HP Pavillion  TX1000 family and other models.</p>
<p>If you have owned this laptop (or similar), you know that no matter what cooling pad you use it still gets really hot. Well, that&#8217;s the problem, it seems that the defective Nvidia chipset is overheating and after some time (ironically shortly after warranty expires) it dies, rendering the laptop unusable.</p>
<p><strong>Models that are affected by defective graphic cards include:</strong></p>
<p>HP 6000<br />
HP 8000<br />
HP 9000<br />
And the entire tx1000 family</p>
<p>If you own one of these, you will sooner or later have similar problems.</p>
<p>While having thoughts about taking legal action , I decided to contact an HP representative, their answers were surely what I was expecting, they pretend this is a unknown, unreported issue, and that it&#8217;s not (yet) on their faulty crap list&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>My chat script with Nataly (HP support) <a href="#actions-to-take">Click here to skip</a><br />
</strong></p>
<div style="border: 2px solid grey; padding: 5px; overflow: auto; height: 200px;"><strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> Hello David.<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> Welcome to HP Total Care for HP Notebooks.<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> Hi, how are you doing today?<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> not really well..<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> my laptop just died, and my warranty recently expired<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> I understand your concern.<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> it seems to be a motherboard issue, a known one<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> David, I understand that the Notebook is nt turning ON, Am I correct?<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> it powers up, but it stays there, with the light on and nothing else<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> I apologize for the inconvenience. However, I am glad to assist you in this regard.<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> Thank you for the confirmation.<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> May I know, for how long you are experiencing this issue?<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> for 1 day<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> Okay.<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> Nataly, I don&#8217;t want to waste my time, I been reading about this issue in over 20 different forums, by hundres of users, I just want a solution to my problem<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> everybody else seems to be having this same issue with the same hp model, the tx1000 family<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> David, I understand your concern. Let us start with the basic troubleshooting steps to isolate the issue.<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> I&#8217;ve been a computers tech for 10 years, I know how to troubleshoot a computer&#8230;<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> it&#8217;s not the memory, hard drive, wifi card, dvd drive&#8230;<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> That&#8217;s great to hear.<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> Could you please let me know the Serial Number and Product Number of the Notebook so that I could assist you better?<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> it has never been dropped or hit.<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> sure 1 sec<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> Okay.<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> CNF7286XNB<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> The Serial Number is a 10 digit alphanumeric number, for example: CNS34915MC.The Product Number is a 5-7 digit alphanumeric number, for example:DS542U. You will find that on a white sticker beneath the Notebook.<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> GA646UA#ABA<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> Thank you for the information.<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> David, could you please confirm the troubleshooting steps you have performed to isolate the issue?<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> &#8230;<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> checked the memory compartment, removed the DVD drive, checked the HD compartment, removed the battery and powered it with the adapter alone, anyways those devices woundn&#8217;t cause this symptom<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> I appreciate your efforts in troubleshooting the issue. However, I am glad to assist you further.<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> May I ask few more questions so that I could isolate the issue better?<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> sure<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> Thank you.<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> Could you please confirm if the Notebook is able to boot into safe mode or it is not at all turning ON ( blank display)?<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> blank display, lights turn on and stay on, not sounds or beeps<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> Thank you for confirming the same.<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> it does the same with or without battery, memory or CD drive<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> David, as you have performed all the possible troubleshooting steps and the issue remains the same, this would be a hardware issue.<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> The issue at hand seems to be related to a physical hardware malfunction which would require a physical examination to analyse the issue.<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> the issue is with the motherboard, and it&#8217;s a known issue<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> take this forum post for example&#8230;<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums13.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?admit=109447627+1236993544874+28353475&amp;threadId=1245147">http://forums13.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/ques&#8230;</a><br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> or this one<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums13.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/bizsupport/questionanswer.do?threadId=1312470">http://forums13.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/bizs&#8230;</a><br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> or this one<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.fixya.com/support/t1425677-hp_pavilon_tx_1000_turn_half_time_or">http://www.fixya.com/support/t1425677-hp_pavi&#8230;</a><br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> or this one<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.fixya.com/support/p504866-hp_pavilion_tx1000z_rd223av_pc_notebook">http://www.fixya.com/support/p504866-hp_&#8230;</a><br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> or this one over the UK<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-63420-black-screen-on-my-hp-tx1000">http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-6342&#8230;</a><br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> I can give you several more<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> David, good to see that you are going through our HP websites.<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> May I take 2-3 minutes of your time while I search for the relevant information?<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> sure<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> Thank you David.<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> Thank you for the time and patience.<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> David, as this is the Hardware issue, I recomend you send the Notebook to HP for repair.<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> I&#8217;m not going to pay for it, this is a known issue of a bad motherboard to begin with<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> I understand your concern.<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> besides, many people that sent it back for repair, keep having the same problem, because it&#8217;s a design flaw, this is simple a defective product<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> <strong>David, this is not a known issue for the tx1210us Notebook.</strong><br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> hmm&#8230; so what do all those blogs and forums tell you?<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> I am afraid, this Notebook is not covered under one time enhancement service.<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> it&#8217;s a component issue, and that component is used for several hp models<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> I&#8217;ll be very happy to take this into a small claims court and share my thoughts in 50+ blogs<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> I have checked all the documents available with us. This model is no more covered under Onetime Service.<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> If the Notebook is covered under One time Service, I would have arranged a Free Mail In Repair.<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> one way or another it will happen, I&#8217;m not going to get stuck with a laptop that I paid $1300 for a little over a year ago<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> I am afraid, I see from our records that your notebook’s standard factory warranty has expired on: 08/25/2008.<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> I suppose there&#8217;s nothing else you can do, then I&#8217;ll have to do it on my own<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> I understand. However, I recomend you either send the Notebook to Hp that our technicians diagonise the Notebook and fix the issue.<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> this is an extract from a hp forum post&#8230;<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> &#8220;You are not alone with this issue. There are hundreds if not more of us with the same issue. HP is disappointing us by turning a blind eye to this issue. I don&#8217;t think upper management is being informed as to how wide spread this is and how it will impact what was a loyal customer base.&#8221;<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> and it continues &#8220;I suggest anyone having problems with their model tx1000, tx1320 or any other like tablet pc call and write HP to see if we can inspirer them to correct their ways of not standing behind and doing the right thing with these defective units. &#8220;<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> how can I reach your manager?<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> this is what somebody else says:<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> &#8220;The problem has to do with a faulty video (GPU) chipset from Nvidia, the GeForce GO 6150. The chipset will overheat and shortly after that will start to fail. Replacing the motherboard will only delay it happening again. Personally, I want a refund to allow me to purchase something different. &#8220;<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> David, those are the forums. Customers who have the same issue may raise their issues in that.<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> I was expecting an answer like that<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> actually Nvidia has recognized this issue, and they are not posting this in forums<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> NVIDIA says <strong><em>&#8220;significant quantities of laptop GPUs are defective&#8221;</em></strong><br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> from www.engadget.com<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> I recomend you send the Notebook to HP for paid mail in Service so that technicians will isolate the exact cause and repair the Notebook.<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> free of charge?<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> I am afraid, as the Notebook is out of Warranty, <strong>$ 298</strong> willbe charged for the repair.<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> I think I&#8217;ll wait for HP to recall this product, but in the mean time I&#8217;ll filing this with a small claims court. There&#8217;s a lot of people out there with the SAME issue<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> how can I reach your management?<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> I am afraid, this Notebook will not be covered under One time Service.<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> how can I reach your management?<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> All right.<br />
<strong style="color:red">Nataly :</strong> David, I will escalate the case to our case manager so that you will receive a call from the case manager within 24 &#8211; 48 hours.<br />
<strong>David C.:</strong> ok</div>
<h2 id="actions-to-take">What can we do?</h2>
<p>Everybody needs to understand that <strong>*this defect is not caused by the user*</strong>, this is a component design flaw. I recommend that we all push for HP to either replace this product or refund us, It&#8217;s <strong>NOT </strong>o.k. for 1000&#8217;s of laptops to die a few months after their warranties expire.</p>
<p>Some actions to consider:</p>
<ul>
<li>File a complaint against HP on the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ripoffreport.com/">ripoff report website</a></li>
<li>File a complaint against HP on the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.bbb.org">BBB </a>website</li>
<li>File a complaint against HP on the <a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/">FTC </a>website</li>
<li>If HP keeps avoiding this issue, consider suing them in a small claims court</li>
</ul>
<p>Sooner or later they will have to address this issue, but by delaying this, they will not only lose money but also loyal customers.</p>
<p><strong>Read what others are saying<br />
</strong></p>
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